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Record 21 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/11

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 21 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by Peter Daly; [Nicholas Purcell] O'Gorman read a letter from Sir Thomas Esmonde regretting that he could not attend the forthcoming aggregate meeting. [Daniel] O’Connell in a lengthy speech attributed an attack on him in the British press to friends of the Lord Lieutenant [Richard Wellesley]; claimed the ‘Warder’, ‘Antidote’, ‘Evening Mail’ and ‘The Star’ newspapers were supported by the ‘Dignitaries of the Established Church’; argued that they should commence the project to collect subscriptions as the assizes were about to start; expressed no confidence in Sir James Galbraith who had taken the Orange Oath; condemned the distribution of arms and associated orange outrages including the murder of [] Connell. A heated debate then ensued around O’Connell’s motion for the association to print the report of the committee recommending the setting up of the catholic rent; O’Connell ‘with warmth censured [the] objections’ of Mr L Plunkett and others and stated that the terms ‘narrow views’ and ‘limited intellect’ used in the report applied to [Henry] Goulburn, the Chief Secretary, who had been appointed because he was an enemy of the catholics and who had ‘fallen in love with the Corporation’; O’Connell argued that the majority of catholics had sided with the government in 1798 yet ‘the country was punished by passing the Act of Union’; Mr Kelly queried if O’Connell was now a ‘Craniologist’ and also objected to the term ‘Haughty English neighbours’; [Richard Lalor] Sheil ‘with much sarcasm’ reprobated Mr Kelly’s remarks adding that Goulburn was ‘one of the wretched ingredients thrown into the mortar of Conciliation’; Plunkett noted that Kelly was ‘a relative of the late Judge Kelly’ and urged the association to embrace every man who came there ‘whether Protestant or Catholic’; Mr Kirwan was adverse to the report but in favour of it being printed and [Stephen] Coppinger supported O’Connell’s motion; [Nicholas] Mahon asked that the ‘far from discreet’ report be reconsidered; O’Connell undeterred, pointed out the hostility of the heir apparent to catholic emancipation and argued that the association had been meeting since October yet had done nothing and that this report would ‘set them to business and give them practical work’; O’Gorman ‘asked if Mr O’Connell was to be in himself the whole Catholic Association’; a vote was called and O’Connell’s motion was passed with 21 in favour and 4 against.

EXTENT:

1 item; 24pp

DATE(S):

21 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 22 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/12

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 23 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by Mr M’Donnell [McDonnell] with [Nicholas Purcell] O'Gorman acting as secretary; O’Gorman brought up a procedural issue surrounding [Daniel] O’Connell’s ‘Finance Report’ which had been discussed at the previous meeting, stating that it should not be entered into the journal of the association, claiming that O’Connell had ‘reported from a committee, and had denominated himself Chairman of that Committee’ and adding that he ‘disapproved of printing it’; [Frederick W] Conway observed that reports were frequently printed prior to discussion in the House of Commons; Mr Kirwan stated that he had not voted for the report but wished it printed in order to ‘ascertain the opinion entertained in the country of the report’ and insisted that the committee had ‘delegated their power to Mr O’Connell’; O’Gorman, in reply to Conway’s compromise suggestion that they meet every day until Friday, listed all the other business of the association which was left outstanding, adding that no work had been done on burial grounds; a discussion on the burial grounds ensued with J D Mullen observing that [Richard Lalor] Sheil had failed to move a committee to collect funds and [Stephen] Coppinger noting that a bill on the subject from Sir John Newport had been ridiculed by [Robert] Peel; Mr Clinch clarified a statement he had made in a previous meeting regarding Sherriff Perrin and urging the press reporters to note that he had made no allusion to ‘Protestants’ or ‘Protestant Juries’; Kirwan called for money to be allocated for the ‘prosecution of the Murderers of Keady’; in response to a query O’Gorman stated that there had been 208 members in the previous year but that only 40 or so members had paid subscriptions for that year; noted that O’Connell and Sheil did not attend this meeting.

EXTENT:

1 item; 14pp

DATE(S):

23 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 23 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/13

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 24 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by [Stephen] Coppinger; J D Mullen, [Frederick W] Conway and Mr Kirwan were appointed to liaise with Rev Armstrong concerning the aggregate meeting in Townshend Street Chapel; Conway announced that the petition on the state of the country was ready but he wouldn’t read it until ‘until the committee approved it’ and [Daniel] O’Connell stated that the petition relative to tithes-in-kind was ready; O’Connell then brought forward 13 resolutions for the association to pass prior to the aggregate meeting including resolutions calling on the aggregate meeting to approve of the catholic rent project and on all catholics to contribute to it; [Nicholas Purcell] O'Gorman argued that the wording of one resolution be altered adding that the ‘penal laws were in fact produced … by a bigoted Catholic Prince – James the 2nd’ to which O’Connell responded by stating that ‘the national debt’ and ‘the corruption of Parliament’ dated from the reign of the ‘individual from Holland with a cocked hat’; Conway disputed Kirwan’s claim that [George] Canning was ‘no friend to the Catholics’; Mr L Plunkett called for all negative references to ‘the Heir presumptive’ [Frederick Augustus, Duke of York and Albany] to be removed from the resolutions despite his stated opposition to catholic emancipation; Kelly agreed stating that the association should follow the principle of ‘Do good to those that hate us’; Kirwan however argued that this would yield little and that the association ‘should speak boldly’; O’Connell believed that this resolution praised the king ‘for holding his present opinions towards Roman Catholics’ ‘in a family which entertained such sentiments’ and recalled that the duke had at one stage accepted the office of ‘Grand Master of the Orangemen of England’; the ‘Finance Committee’ or ‘Committee of accounts for supervisions the collection of subscriptions … throughout Ireland’ was appointed with Coppinger acting as chairman [includes list of committee members] and O’Connell advised them on how to keep their accounts ‘with the truest mercantile precision’.

EXTENT:

1 item; 17pp

DATE(S):

24 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 24 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/14

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 25 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by Richard Nugent; [Nicholas Purcell] O'Gorman noted that the association had 213 members, 55 who had paid subscriptions and £179 in funds; Mr Kirwan complained that his comments regarding the Duke of York had been misinterpreted by ‘The Star’ newspaper and called for the reporter from that paper, who was refused permission to respond, to leave the room; [Frederick W] Conway read the draft petition on the general state of the country claiming that the promises of the union were not kept and that following the withdrawal of the landlords, their tenants were drained to supply money expended abroad and were left in the care of ‘avaricious’ agents, bailiffs and tithe proctors under the rack-rent system; the petition highlighted the following issues – the flawed tithe system, rights of burial, inequality of the minor courts and the poor state of the magistry, biased or ‘Orange’ juries, jury selection by the Corporation of Dublin, administration of justice in Ulster and the Maghera incident, suspension of constitutional rights by the Insurrection Act, protection and patronage of Orangemen; Sheil noted the petition negated the need for a separate petition on the administration of justice and he proposed that it be put before the forthcoming aggregate meeting; the petition was to be presented to the House of Commons by [Henry] Broughman and to the House of Lords by either [Charles Grey, 2nd earl Grey] or [Henry Vassall-Fox, 3rd Baron Holland]; O’Gorman felt that the association were in the ‘habit’ of passing petitions wholesale rather than paragraph by paragraph and did not agree with the section stating that the poor obtained no justice in Munster; Sheil however pointed out that Lord Redesdale [John Freeman-Mitford, 1st Baron Redesdale] had claimed that the ‘law was reserved for the rich – all the evils for the poor’; Mr Clinch objected to the paragraph in the petition referring to the clergy; Col M’Dermott [McDermott] suggested that [Frederick W] Conway be allowed to make any necessary revisions.

EXTENT:

1 item; 18pp

DATE(S):

25 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 25 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/15

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 26 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by R N Kelly; [Stephen] Coppinger announced that permission had been granted to used Townshend Street Chapel for their aggregate meeting; Mr Dwyer called for the resolutions regarding the King, the Duke of York and the penal code, agreed at the previous meeting, to be reconsidered; Dwyer claimed that there could be no fair discussion of them at the aggregate meeting and [Nicholas] Mahon threatened to voice his objection to the resolutions ‘in the face of the country’ at that meeting; [Nicholas Purcell] O'Gorman noted that the King had been willing to receive the petition of the catholics ‘on the throne’ at Dublin Castle but had been informed that this could not be done. O’Connell countered these objections stating that Archdeacon Torrens, brother of the Duke of York’s secretary, was exerting himself against the catholics and that catholics had not one friend among the Ministry; believed that their quiescence had heretofore thrown them back; posed the question ‘Did Gentlemen who came there to quibble expect to coax Emancipation?'. Mr Farrell feared that the present resolutions would prove as unlucky as those of the Catholic Board; J D Mullen anticipated that O’Connell and Sheil by ‘their superior Eloquence at the Aggregate Meeting would carry everything’; Mahon objected to a negative reference to protestant clergymen to which Sheil sarcastically responded, asking if Mahon wished to propose a vote of thanks to Rev Fitzgibbon, rector of Saint John’s, Limerick for having interrupted the funeral of Capt Durack; it was agreed to submit [Frederick W] Conway’s petition to a committee prior to the aggregate meeting and this committee was named.

EXTENT:

1 item; 15pp

DATE(S):

26 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 26 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/16

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of an aggregate meeting of the Catholic Association on 27 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of an aggregate meeting of the Catholic Association at Townshend Street Chapel, [Dublin], chaired by Sir Thomas Esmonde; thirteen resolutions were put to and passed by the meeting including those establishing the catholic rent [report records wording of each resolution]; Counsellor [Christopher] Fitzsimon proposed a resolution of thanks to Nicholas Purcell O’Gorman, secretary of the association; O’Gorman stated that their petition on the administration of Irish Justice served the constitution and eternized the names of [Henry] Broughman and [Sir Francis] Burdett; [Stephen] Coppinger observed that [George] Canning had ruled out prospects for catholic emancipation that session, that [Dublin] Corporation had broken faith with catholics and he criticised the clergy of the established church for their support of certain newspapers; [Frederick W] Conway read the petition which was to be presented to parliament and this was seconded by Mr Kelly; [?Gonville] French claimed that the penal code was an open violation of a solemn and sacred treaty but he also proposed that the petition be referred to a committee for alteration. [Daniel] O’Connell entered at this stage amid cheering and immediately delivered a long speech drawing historical parallels with British attempts to oppress America; praising the conduct of Irishmen who fought in the army of the Duke of Wellington including his [brother] Lieut John O’Connell; noted his loyalty to the king during his visit to Ireland. O’Connell then produced and read from a series of documents which he claimed were from an Orange Order lodge in Donegal noting that Sir James Galbraith, a crown solicitor had been approached to succeed Capt Nesbit as grand master and that when John Gifford died ‘the spirit of the Dog survived’. Documents included the grand warrant of the lodge, a letter from Theophilus Norton a grand secretary, a letter concerning the dressing of a statue on College Green [Dublin] and a letter which proved illegality on the part of William McCulloch a deputy grand secretary. O’Connell argued that the best exertions of Catholics were ‘frustrated owing to the want of pecuniary means’ and called on the support of every catholic for the catholic rent to ‘redeem the Catholic cause, put down Orangemen and show that genuine loyalty consisted in making the throne secure’; [Richard Lalor] Sheil noted that O’Connell and other leading catholic barristers were not patronized by government but predicted that emancipation would be achieved, not by a change in the British government but by the power of the people to ‘burst thro’ the gates of the constitution’; Sheil specified his grievances with the established church, the tithe system, rights of burial but observed that catholics were increasing in wealth and population and urged unity between them; noted in report that ‘none of the higher' and only a few ‘of the better class’ catholics were present and that the majority of the attendees were from the ‘working classes’.

EXTENT:

1 item; 54pp

DATE(S):

27 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 27 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/17

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 28 February 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by [Daniel] O’Connell; [Nicholas Purcell] O’Gorman raised a case of maladministration by a magistrate towards Thomas Connell and was informed that the issue had been referred to [Charles Grey, 2nd earl Grey] by [Richard Lalor] Sheil; [Frederick W] Conway proposed the publication of the resolutions taken at the aggregate meeting in the ‘Morning Chronicle’ and ‘Courier’ newspapers; O’Connell proposed that each parish be contacted regarding the eligibility of collectors of the catholic rent and proposed that priests be called on to act as ‘Inspectors’ in order to ensure regular collections; O’Gorman noted that priests were formerly ‘loth to meddle with their parishioners in money collections’ but was glad to find them ready to assist in this ‘visionary’ project; nine extra members were named as members of the committee to oversee the catholic rent and [James] Sugrue, assistant to the secretary of that committee, made a record of subscriptions in his account book; O’Connell sarcastically suggested that the grand warrant of Donegal [Orange] Lodge be framed but [?Christopher] Fitzsimon hoped it would not be brought into their meeting room.

EXTENT:

1 item; 8pp

DATE(S):

28 Feb 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 28 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/18

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 3 March 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association in the rooms of the association, chaired by Mr M’Donnell [McDonnell]; the meeting commenced following a private meeting of the committee of finance; [Daniel] O’Connell proposed that the report agreed to at the previous meeting be circulated throughout the land in order to ‘manifest how the Catholic Rent was to be applied’ and although Mr Kelly’s ‘felt many Gentlemen had objections to the language of the Report’ this proposal was passed; it was also agreed that the resolutions be printed in the ‘Cork Chronicle’, the ‘only honest paper in Cork’; O’Connell read letters of support for the catholic rent from J Fitzpatrick, the All Saints Society of Waterford and a confraternity in Dublin and proposed that a committee be appointed to ascertain the number of parishes in Ireland, and the names of the parochial clergy; O’Connell added that ‘no collectors should be appointed who were disapproved of by the clergy’, that the names of collectors and parish accounts should be made public and be known to the magistrates and government; he discussed population figures stating that when the ‘English perceived that 7 million were looking for Emancipation … the English would oppose no longer’; O’Connell finally noted that he was preparing a petition concerning the allocation of government funds towards education, noting that £10000 had been allocated to the Kildare Place Society who had passed a resolution, objected to by catholics, that scriptures should be used as a school book; Mr O’Farrell gave notice of a motion regarding members from the country being facilitated to travel to Dublin to ‘satisfy themselves’ as to the disposal of the catholic rent; Mr Clinch and others were appointed to a committee to revise the petition on the general state of Ireland.

EXTENT:

1 item; 14pp

DATE(S):

3 Mar 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 29 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/19

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 6 March 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by Mr M Warren; Warren was identified as a former officer in Bonaparte’s Imperial Guard; [Daniel] O’Connell said they should avoid any ‘affectation of secrecy’ and noted that the catholic rent would be collected in Dublin by 48 persons who had previous experience collecting for the Metropolitan Orphan Society; a motion was passed regarding the allocation of funds to country members to allow them travel to Dublin to satisfy themselves that the rent was being properly managed; O’Connell believed that the rent would prevent secret associations and detect many who went among the people causing disturbances; J D Mullen proposed that the resolutions of the late aggregate meeting be published in the ‘Leinster Journal’. O’Connell spoke at length about the allocation of funding to and actions of the Kildare Place Society and proposed that a committee be formed to petition parliament on the subject of education; recounting the opposition he encountered while attending an annual meeting of that society and how his requests for a committee of enquiry and regular reports were refused; noting the number of diverse protestant denominations involved in the society; accusing the society of proselytism and being ‘wanting in truth and sincerity’ while accepting that many respectable individuals were members; mentioning an incident of book banning by the Dublin Library Society. Mr Kelly supported O’Connell’s motion and on the issue of bibles being used as text books noted that Archdeacon Pailey had ‘condemned the diffusion of the scriptures indiscriminately’ as some passages were ‘unfit for females, or for youth’; noted that [Frederick W] Conway’s had not concluded his revision of a petition on the general state of Ireland; following the conclusion of the meeting it was noted that [Nicholas Purcell] O’Gorman had left Dublin to make arrangements for a meeting in support of the catholic rent in some assize town in the south of the country.

EXTENT:

1 item; 17pp

DATE(S):

6 Mar 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

Record 30 from 'CSO/RP'
NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/CA/1824/20

TITLE:

Memorandum by [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association on 13 March 1824

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Memorandum by author identified as 'S N E' [Stephen N Elrington] providing an eyewitness account of a meeting of the Catholic Association at unknown location, chaired by [John] Browne and with [Frederick W] Conway acting as secretary; Conway brought forward his alterations to the general petition on the state of the country; it was decided to alter the passage regarding arms supplied by government to yeomanry with orange allegiances and the passage regarding tithes with Browne suggested that a clause be inserted concerning tithes levied on potatoes; it was also decided to address the petition to ‘the British people’ instead of the ‘House of Commons’ and following a debate it was agreed that it be signed ‘Roman Catholics’ instead of ‘Catholics’, Mr Lanigan having suggested that parliament might not recognize them as ‘Catholics’ as the term was claimed by all sects; includes list of individuals tasked with quickly gathering signatures outside chapels in various Dublin parishes; Lanigan proposed a committee be established to prepare a general petition from ‘Roman Catholics praying for Emancipation’ as agreed to at the aggregate meeting and this committee is named in this report; Mr Kelly proposed that the committee of accounts meet every Tuesday; noted that [Daniel] O’Connell and [Nicholas Purcell] O’Gorman were absent with O’Connell being ‘in the South’.

EXTENT:

1 item; 12pp

DATE(S):

13 Mar 1824

DATE EARLY:

1824

DATE LATE:

1824

ORIGINAL REFERENCE:

no original number

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